10-04-2024, 05:03 PM in response to #40663
10-04-2024, 05:03 PM in response to #40663 10-04-2024, 05:09 PM in response to #40640
I liked playing with Lego which apparently meant I was creative, but what I really liked about Lego was you could crash things into each other and watch all the bits fly off like a proper explosion 💥 - "nyeeeow, oh no the starfighters going to crash into the school, kerrash tinkle, yay that one's head fell off"
10-04-2024, 05:12 PM in response to #40675 10-04-2024, 05:16 PM in response to #40673 Barnet Ben Wrote: Not yet my dude. All the best if and when they arrive. They are challenging but it’s pretty great on balance! Is your point that society constructs expectations of girls and boys. That girls are expected to play dolls and boys war. But that neither of those behaviours is in any way innate? I would be willing to go with that (although my anecdotal experience is different). But doesn’t it cause an issue to the transgender movement? I.e. how can someone ‘feel like a girl?’ How can a woman be trapped in a man’s body when men and women have no innate difference of preference or action? Surely the answer to a transgender person would be… “don’t be silly. There’s no difference.” Genuine question btw 10-04-2024, 05:56 PM in response to #40679 Baldman Wrote: All the best if and when they arrive. They are challenging but it’s pretty great on balance! Yes, I'd agree with most of that, though I wouldn't necessarily see it as a "problem" but a symptom of society. If there weren't gender norms then there would be nothing to feel different from. People would just be who they instinctively are and it wouldn't be an issue to anybody, or any need for any labels. But while there are those norms, if you don't naturally fit the shape society expects of you, then you have an identity to loosely connect and identify with. Can't say I have ever got my head around how it is possible to feel like I'm in the wrong body but enough people do that I think it exists. 10-04-2024, 06:08 PM in response to #40675
I think the worry is that this is being applied as a sort of panacea when some doctors are presented with a troubled kid.
Unfortunately the discourse around the subject has become incredibly unpleasant and has been hijacked by arseholes to wind people up, like most things THESE DAYS. 10-04-2024, 11:01 PM in response to #40682 Barnet Ben Wrote: Yes, I'd agree with most of that, though I wouldn't necessarily see it as a "problem" but a symptom of society. If there weren't gender norms then there would be nothing to feel different from. People would just be who they instinctively are and it wouldn't be an issue to anybody, or any need for any labels. But while there are those norms, if you don't naturally fit the shape society expects of you, then you have an identity to loosely connect and identify with. I definitely agree with that last point. But, as a follow up question, given that I think we are kind of in agreement that transgender people are possibly reacting to society’s assumptions of gender roles (women should be ‘girly’ etc)… can you see how feminists might see it as a retrograde step? If I were a feminist who had spent 20 years telling everyone that a butch woman is a woman. That a woman who wants to be a scientist or mechanic is a woman. And suddenly, some geezer says that he’s a woman purely because he wants to wear dresses and prance about in an outdated gender stereotype fashion… Surely you can see how that might stick in the craw? The message of feminism was that women don’t have to conform to society’s stereotypes. Fuck you, I can wear trousers and be a lumberjack, but I’m still a woman. The message of transgenderism (???) seems to be that if you want to wear a dress and get your nails done as a man, then you must be a woman. Because that’s the definition of a woman. Or more pertinently… if you want to wear trousers and be a lumberjack then actually you aren’t a woman. You’re a man trapped in a eoman’s body. I’m pissed up a rambling but hope you can follow my logic. 10-04-2024, 11:45 PM in response to #40640 Leeds Sandgrounder Wrote: That's why I said predisposition. It could be both. I'm not sure predisposition/disposition really makes much difference. If you work in nurseries then boys will dress up in dresses and girls build things but my experience agrees with your point and says there are generally gender splits along traditional lines quite early on. However, back to my earlier question - genetic or socially constructed - hard to know. I agree that people moaning about kids playing with the wrong type of toys is an idiot. Not sure about 'furious sex case'🤣🤣. You are maybe more expressive than me... 10-04-2024, 11:48 PM (This post was last modified: 10-04-2024, 11:55 PM by Fola Onibuje.) in response to #40702
Plying angsty teenagers with biologically altering drugs was a bad idea all along, who knew.
Save me from this morally equivocating "ah it's a difficult issue.." no it's not, the reason advanced liberal democracies have an age of responsibility around 18 is because it's sensible, 'progressive' politics does not have a right to circum-navigate this on account of being in vogue. Expecting to see a lot of perenially in touch talking heads reversing their ferret. 11-04-2024, 12:00 AM in response to #40683 Leeds Sandgrounder Wrote: I think the worry is that this is being applied as a sort of panacea when some doctors are presented with a troubled kid. Obviously, I've seen a lot of traumatised and troubled kids in my workplace. They have received lots of poor and mixed messaging about sexuality. They may often not have had access to adequate healthcare (either deliberately or through neglect), schooling has been erratic and they have been cut off from normal social activities. Quite easy to see why sexuality might be a confusion and how other 'conditions', such as autism etc can be missed. |
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