21-11-2023, 12:21 PM in response to #22857
21-11-2023, 12:21 PM in response to #22857 21-11-2023, 12:33 PM (This post was last modified: 21-11-2023, 12:35 PM by NWS.) in response to #22857 Greek Card Wrote: They use it as their reference point because understandably they don't want to talk much about the massacres and general oppression that took place against the Jews in Ottoman and Mandated Palestine. Maybe it is the way their history has been structured and the stories handed down but if you believe that modern day Palestinians feel hatred towards Israelis or Jews (and yes I realise my massive interchangeability is a conflation, which makes me the bigggest anti-semite the world has ever seen) then you are wrong. I had no clue about massacres in Ottoman or mandated Palestine but I did know about 1948. That tells me that I have heard it several times. If nobody mentions something then they probably don't feel something. Why would Palestinians feel a massive sense of injustice (something they talk about all the time) over massacres that they committed, as opposed to had done to them. I was merely trying to give a Palestinian viewpoint at this point not debate who did what to who. If each side starts to understand each other then something better can happen. Alternatively, just continue to ignore another perspective and quash it with some nuance that can be countered and re-countered and go on and on in an ever downward spiral. This article sums it up. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...oppression She doesn't mention ancient hatreds, just as many Brits think the Germans are up to something because of war 80 years ago, not because the Saxons invaded. Nobody is 100% correct in this argument and yet everybody is 100% correct. That's what makes it so intractable. 21-11-2023, 12:43 PM (This post was last modified: 21-11-2023, 12:45 PM by Barnet Ben.) in response to #22850 21-11-2023, 12:53 PM (This post was last modified: 21-11-2023, 12:54 PM by Baldman.) in response to #22861 Barnet Ben Wrote: Social communist, extremist. Only a narrow selection of state sanctioned opinions can ever be acted upon. Individuals and organisations have little autonomy. I think corporations and the profit motive should be removed or excluded from many aspects of society. I think within the corporate realm they should be given autonomy to pursue profit. Individuals should have autonomy in their personal lives up to the point where their actions damage or restrict the freedom of others. Not sure what that makes me. Edit: Oh and I am pretty sure I am a bigger statist that MK. The humour in calling him a statist is that he thinks he is otherwise. 21-11-2023, 01:03 PM in response to #22859 NWS Wrote: Maybe it is the way their history has been structured and the stories handed down but if you believe that modern day Palestinians feel hatred towards Israelis or Jews (and yes I realise my massive interchangeability is a conflation, which makes me the bigggest anti-semite the world has ever seen) then you are wrong. I had no clue about massacres in Ottoman or mandated Palestine but I did know about 1948. That tells me that I have heard it several times. If nobody mentions something then they probably don't feel something. Why would Palestinians feel a massive sense of injustice (something they talk about all the time) over massacres that they committed, as opposed to had done to them. Your ignorance is no one's fault but your own. And conflation in and of itself is not antisemitism, and does not appear on the IHRA's list though plenty of antisemites claim it is and does in order to accuse others of what they are themselves guilty of. 21-11-2023, 01:34 PM in response to #22863 Baldman Wrote: I think corporations and the profit motive should be removed or excluded from many aspects of society. I think within the corporate realm they should be given autonomy to pursue profit. Is advertising to the general public not in the 'corporate realm'? Being able to appeal to customers and provide them what they want has a major impact on profitability. But you want to restrict that freedom of expression and freedom of consumer choice because certain views offend you. 21-11-2023, 01:42 PM in response to #22871 Barnet Ben Wrote: Is advertising to the general public not in the 'corporate realm'? Being able to appeal to customers and provide them what they want has a major impact on profitability. But you want to restrict that freedom of expression and freedom of consumer choice because certain views offend you. You were doing well there until the last line, which is a bit weird. Advertising everywhere is shit. Get it off buses, bus stops, football shirts, roundabouts, flowerbeds. Limit each company to one marketing email a quarter. Regulate the time of adverts versus radio and TV broadcasts. It’s all crap. 21-11-2023, 02:03 PM in response to #22872 Baldman Wrote: You were doing well there until the last line, which is a bit weird. 100% agreed marketing is crap, but unfortunately it employs people. As a printer, my dad always encouraged us to take leaflets from everywhere as it keeps people in work. 21-11-2023, 03:00 PM in response to #22878 DarrenG WFC Wrote: 100% agreed marketing is crap, but unfortunately it employs people. It's a similar reason to why I keep throwing bricks through people's windows. It keeps the the brick makers in a job. |
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